Curse

magmore · Sep 04, 2005, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Ok , I have played this game for a bit now .
I never played PVP before but this game got me hooked . went from 9 -20 all pvp .
Now I'm doing some missions cause frankly I'm broke .
Anyway here is my build . I am looking for comments , advice , whatever .
warrior primary , ranger secondary .
sklills are str13, swd12, a smidge in tactics and beastmastery 3 and 4 if memory serves. I use a sword and shield .
I take with me the rez sig, gash, sever artery, tigers fury, endure pain, power attack, sprint , and I will avenge you, .
I am starting to think this is not the best I can do.
Maybe I should respec for tactics?
TIA

wolfy3455 · Sep 04, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by magmore

Ok , I have played this game for a bit now .
I never played PVP before but this game got me hooked . went from 9 -20 all pvp .
Now I'm doing some missions cause frankly I'm broke .
Anyway here is my build . I am looking for comments , advice , whatever .
warrior primary , ranger secondary .
sklills are str13, swd12, a smidge in tactics and beastmastery 3 and 4 if memory serves. I use a sword and shield .
I take with me the rez sig, gash, sever artery, tigers fury, endure pain, power attack, sprint , and I will avenge you, .
I am starting to think this is not the best I can do.
Maybe I should respec for tactics?
TIA

First off, your weapon mastery is much more important than strength. It adds damage to your attack skills as well as your weapon damage. Also, swords generally aren't that good outside of niche builds; however, if you insist on using a sword, add galrash slash and final thrust for your spike. Endure pain isn't that great; there's just too much downtime as well as the fact that if you're being targeted, your team has probably lost. Using a skill that requires your teamates to be dead to be good is probably a bit stupid. Tactics is mainly only good for shouts and PvE. Defensive stances are wasted damaging slots on a pvp warrior.

I'm not going to comment on TF, but if you feel like reading on why a certain other speed buff is more useful, use search.

Mercury Angel · Sep 04, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

I'm confused. You have a lot of poor starter skills you get early on, and then Tiger's Fury, which isn't available until the desert o_O

What exactly do you have at this point to work with?

UberRusty · Sep 04, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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I'm confused. You have a lot of poor starter skills you get early on, and then Tiger's Fury, which isn't available until the desert o_O

What exactly do you have at this point to work with?

I think his reasoning behind is that, the more crappy skills I spam, the crappiness will add up to something good. Actual fact is, the more crappy skills you spam, the crappier you will be.

Now for some real advice. Snoop around the forums for some R/W or W/R builds. You won't find too many sword users here though.

magmore · Sep 04, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Thanks for the info . I may have missed out on some skills as I jumped from 9-20 almost entirely pvp . I am at work atm and will list all my skills a little later .
I have two swords one extends deep wounds and one extends bleeding .
I swap them for gash and sever artery. I hit TF as hitting faster seems to charge my skills faster it lasts 7 second 33% faster and recharges pretty quickly . IF they are casting I use power attack . I always go after the runners and they usually die . I now see that it is more their bad playing than my good playing which allows me to win in that instance .
I always use rez on the first person down . I have once or twice pulled our team out defeat to victory using "I will avenge you " .
I originally though a pet would be cool . Takes up to many slots though.
Hopefully we will get more input when I list what skills I have . I have 3 sp to spend . and 24 refund points to respec . Also a gold tactics shield I would like to try .

xpuppetmaster · Sep 04, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

This build is pretty stupid. First of all, sword wars do about zero damage and can be ignored by good monks. They help make heals bigger by applying crappy conditions. Also, whats the point of having sprint and tigers fury? Any good monk will rend your tigers fury useless. Use frenzy instead. The fact that you res the first person down means that you have potential. Most people that play random arena don't realize there isn't frozen soil.

UberRusty · Sep 04, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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First of all, sword wars do about zero damage and can be ignored by good monks.

Wrong.

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Also, whats the point of having sprint and tigers fury? Any good monk will rend your tigers fury useless.

Wow yeah, all Monks carry Wild Blow ftw. Even Mo/Mes, OMFG.

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Use frenzy instead.

Absolutely correct, use Frenzy instead of Tiger's Fury because they will only stop Tiger's Fury, which is a stance for some odd reason.

rii · Sep 04, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Sword warriors dont do zero damage, in fact they average somewhat higher than that.
However, this build, which uses sever artery, gash and power attack, is not quite at mex efficiency.

xpuppetmaster · Sep 04, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Wow you must be really good at this game!!! I have never seen a sword war kill anything. It's hilarious when they go off and try to solo our priest and just still there attacking in vain for 5 min. I'd like to thank all the pvp sword wars for there condition spamming that make healing so much more efficient.

Whats the point of tigers fury? So you can attack faster I assume. Well omg maybe you didn't notice, but tigers fury disables sprint. Anyone that is half way decent will just be saying k thx bye. If you frenzy and someone runs just hit sprint, you lose the frenzy but at least still do damage.

rii · Sep 04, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

He says hes doing missions, which i assume is pve. Therefore, as a warrior (unless there are tanks around) hes the best candidate to stand at the front, and taking double damage isnt the best thing there. tf gets around that, and in pve sprint isnt too necessary unless your running places

thekolman · Sep 04, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by UberRusty

Wow yeah, all Monks carry Wild Blow ftw. Even Mo/Mes, OMFG.

I think when he is referring to rending tiger's fury, he means simply running from them since they won't have a run buff up.

magmore · Sep 04, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

I seem to have stirred things .
As far as a monk is concerned if I want em I usually get em .
Of course there are the easy ones that run . I do not use TF in conjunction with Sprint . I save that for when they run , and they frequently do .
I have done virtually no PVE since 9 its all been PVP , And have been succesfull . I have had several very long runs before I was even 20 .
Nothing sweeter than kickin a noobs but at 16 .
I always attributed it to me being lucky and them being noobs .
I have gotton many props for doing good work and not even being 20 .
I have not done team pvp and do want to be very succesful there. I just dont want to another w/Mo like SO SO many .

UberRusty · Sep 04, 2005, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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I think when he is referring to rending tiger's fury, he means simply running from them since they won't have a run buff up.

A R/W can afford to run Hamstring.

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Wow you must be really good at this game!!! I have never seen a sword war kill anything. It's hilarious when they go off and try to solo our priest and just still there attacking in vain for 5 min.

No wonder you sound inexperienced, all you play is Comp Arena.

Me Burn U · Sep 04, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Power attack is a great skill... when you're lvl 6. Use final thrust instead. As said, "I Will Avenge You!" isn't a great skill for pvp. Drop tactics too, unless you need them for your shield. Switch TF with frenzy. The 2x dmg isnt important when you're not being attacked. That way you can move the points from beastmastery into whatever else you need. So basically replace everything but sever, gash and rez sig.

xpuppetmaster · Sep 04, 2005, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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I do not use TF in conjunction with Sprint

Because you can't. Once you use TF it is physcially impossible to use Sprint until TF ends, which means they can run from you if they are aware and you can't chase and still do damage.

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A R/W can afford to run Hamstring.

Wow, who's the inexperienced one? Are you use to playing comp arenas where mend aliment is a rare commodity and hex removal hasn't even been invented? I can tell you if cripple stays in a monk for more than 1-2 seconds your team blows.

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No wonder you sound inexperienced, all you play is Comp Arena.

wtf are you talking about? Last time I checked team areans and tombs had priests. As for sword wars killing nothing it's not that complicated. They have one good skill, Final Thurst. It's not to hard to count adren to set up for a prot spirit or guardian.

UberRusty · Sep 05, 2005, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Wow, who's the inexperienced one? Are you use to playing comp arenas where mend aliment is a rare commodity and hex removal hasn't even been invented? I can tell you if cripple stays in a monk for more than 1-2 seconds your team blows.

Still you. Do you realise that I said a R/W can AFFORD, not that OMG IT WEEL PWNZ EVERIFING LOLOLOLX.

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wtf are you talking about? Last time I checked team areans and tombs had priests. As for sword wars killing nothing it's not that complicated. They have one good skill, Final Thurst. It's not to hard to count adren to set up for a prot spirit or guardian.

GOOD. WARRIOR. MONKS. DON'T. RUN. OFF. If all you do is invite n00b W/Mos, why the hell are you bitching?

xpuppetmaster · Sep 05, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

the only reason they can afford to have it is because all their other skills are so ungodly aweful. just because they can afford to have it doesn't make it good. good warrior monks? the only reason i can think for having a war monk is if you are using str and honor or want to look like a newb to throw the other team off. if i am wrong please share with me a "good warrior monk" build. usually war monks run off because they realize they are so gimped they can't damage anything so try their luck with the priest.

UberRusty · Sep 05, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

I refuse to outright flame people. It is not proper, everybody starts out a n00b. Maybe when you win more Team Arenas, you will realise that not every W/Mo is a useless n00b.

Bast · Sep 05, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

NooberRusty:
Instead you'll make ridiculous posts like "Wow yeah, all Monks carry Wild Blow ftw. Even Mo/Mes, OMFG." or "GOOD. WARRIOR. MONKS. DON'T. RUN. OFF." or "A R/W can afford to run Hamstring." Thank god you're not trying to "outright flame people."

Wild Blow isn't even a counter to TF; oh noes, they can recast it in 5 seconds and you blew all your adrenaline doing it. Great tactic. Why do that when you can just run from the Warrior for the 5 seconds his TF locked his Sprint out? Stupid, stupid stupid!

Posting in all caps makes you seem like you know what you're talking about when it's pretty obvious your limited intelligence is paired with an overly high self esteem

The original poster is a W/R. Why would you post stupidity like R/Ws? Hamstring is a lousy substitute for the sprint your newbie TF locks you out of anyway. Stop being a pussy and run Frenzy.

To the OP:
Drop Endure Pain and Power attack for Galrath Slash and Final Thrust. Keep your Sword attribute at 12+minor rune+helmet (14), drop Strength down a bit to the 8-10 range and use the liberated points on something from your secondary or stick it in Tactics for some defensive stances since you're doing PVE. Bonetti's Defense is quite good in PVE.

thekolman · Sep 05, 2005, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Instead of calling puppetmaster a n00b, why don't you actually refute what he is saying. Right now he is stating why he thinks W/Mo's are bad (rightfully so), and all you are doing is calling him a n00b comp. arena runner.

puppetmaster: "why would you be a W/Mo, your secondary skills are subpar, (insert valid points)"

uber rusty: "you are just a n00b obviously, i don't have to talk to you anymore, get some more experience and then maybe we can continue later."